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HELP! immigrant flag male ancestor  René Ernst  LIPPÉ

  (b. 5 July 1723? Germany   d. 28 August 1774 Montréal, Province of Québec, Canada )  

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René Ernst LIPPÉ was born 5 July 1723? in Germany. René Ernst LIPPÉ was the child of ?   and   ?

René Ernst was an immigrant to Canada, arriving by 1763.

Spouse(s)/Partner(s) and Child(ren):

René Ernst  married  Marie-Françoise FUSEAU dite ROCH abt. 28 April 1763 in Québec Province, Canada .  The couple had (at least) 7 children. Marie-Françoise FUSEAU dite ROCH  was born 6 August 1740 in La Visitation-de-l'Île-Dupas, Québec, Canada (Isle Dupas).  Marie-Françoise died 3 March 1810 in Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine).  Marie-Françoise was the child of Mathurin FUSEAU dit ROCH and Marie-Françoise SERRE dite ST-JEAN.

René Ernst LIPPÉ died 28 August 1774 in Montréal, Province of Québec, Canada .

Occupation: Cabaretier

Is this him? Ernst Rene LIPPE, full name: Phillip II, Ernst, Count von Lippe Alverdissen, Germany. There is a theory that this is person who was a prince in Germany, came to Quebec, faked his death in 1774 and assumed his proper place on the throne in Germany.

NOTE: There is also a theory that this Rene Lippe is not the Rene Lippe above and that he died 26 AUG 1774 and was buried 28 Aug 1774 at Anglican Christ Church in Montreal. Is this a different person or was this his faked death date?

See gfna/ gfna/ 998/ qrd30.htm
"A searcher pretends Ernst is the same as Philipp II Ernst Lippe, a German prince. The problem is this claim is based on a secret document. Moreover, the signatures of the immigrant and the prince are different."

On the other hand...
In May 2007, I received an interesting email from a man named Simon from Quebec. He is also related to Rene Ernst Philipp Lippe (married to Françoise Fuseau). He told me that a historian from Montreal is working on "something that would explain our Germanic and royal roots. Ernst Lippe was supposedly a German Prince who came to Quebec to escape from his party... This historian's wife is a Lippe and some of his related familly own many artefacts from this Prince (watch, rings etc) and they have the royal crest on it!"

Opinion Denis Beauregard (roughly translated from French to English), see dossiers/ lippe.php for original

After some discussion with Mr. Beaudin, we finally learn the identity between Ernst and René LIPPÉ, innkeeper came to Quebec in the early British regime, and Count Philipp Ernst II Zur Schaumburg-Lippe based on secret documents that it can not make them public (this after 300 years). Until other genealogists read fluent German of that era have not seen the documents in question or that has no other public records to confirm this identification, it will consider this identification as speculative and not founded.

I note that it is difficult to assess this issue. For example, the author said that Lippé came as a spy for the German government while at the time, Germany is not a single country but a multitude of small principalities. He reportedly fled Germany because of court intrigues and because he was in danger, but I do not see how it would be a spy on someone who wants to get rid of. The documents would be kept secret because the German family in danger of losing his fortune, but this fortune dates from the industrial era, ie after 1800. Burial of 1774 would be a tactic to hide the return of the count in Germany. The moot point too many seem to be able to accept this relationship without having evidence very strong.

This site has a lot to say on the subject, all written in French -- pdf/ cahier-16.pdf
Its conclusion is roughly translated from French to English below:

Lippe family Lippé or continues to exist today in Quebec, Ontario, France, New England and, as stated in the family, also in Germany. An important question, not yet elucidated, the relationship of Quebec with Lippé family Schaumburg-Lippe, Germany. The Prince William of Lippe Biesterfeld had come to Quebec to meet with the notary Alexandre Lippé, to 1900. By 1930, there was the visit of the Prince and Princess Adolf of Schaumburg-Lippe in Quebec and meeting with Lippé? Better access to documents, which are mainly Germany, might help to answer such questions and to clarify the nature of the relationship between the two families Lippe, German and Quebec.

The mystery lives on... One thing seems pretty certain, Ernst Rene Lippe was German.

Would love to see this...

Table of contents Biographical note Summary Browse

Title La famille Lippe - Lippé - : mille ans d'histoire, deux siècles en Canada / Pierre Beaudin
Author Beaudin, Pierre, 1937- [5] Alphabetic list
Publisher Montréal : [s.n.], 1975 [56037]
Description 16 p. ; 26 cm
Notes Titre de la couv.
Tiré à part de: Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française, vol. xxv, no 4, 1974
Subjects Lippe (Famille) [1] Alphabetic list
Ernst, Philipp II, comte de Schaumburg-Lippe, 1723-1787--Famille comte de Schaumburg-Lippe [1] Alphabetic list
Source QMBN
Bibl. entry number 0000571310

Details of the family tree of René appear below.
Did You Know? Québec Généalogie - Over time, Québec has gone through a series of name changes
From its inception in the early 1600s until 1760, it was called Canada, New France.
1760 to 1763, it was simply Canada
1763 to 1791 - Province of Québec
1791 to 1867 - Lower Canada
1867 to present - Québec, Canada.

Thanks to Micheline MacDonald for providing this information.
Did You Know?Québec Généalogie - Did you know? The seigneurial system was a form of land settlement modelled on the French feudal system. It began ...Read MORE... 2010/ 10/ seigneurial-system-and-settlement.html

Am I Royal?

My Memere always told me that she was French. Her family had came to the U.S. from Canada. It never occurred to me (or to her) that her family might have been partly German. We never wondered why the Lippe name didn't sound very French. We never linked it to things in Germany such as the Lippe River or the castle in Detmold, Lippe, Germany. I suppose that's because we didn't have Google back...Read MORE...

  • 1764 Birth of Child
    Jean-René-Ernest LIPPE was born 29 April 1764, Montréal, Québec, Canada (Sault-au-Récollet) (Côte-St-Michel) (Côte-St-Paul)
  • 29 Sept 1765
    License granted to Ernest Lippie to sell liquor in Montreal pdf/ cahier-16.pdf
  • 29 Sept 1767
    License granted to Ernest Lippie to sell liquor in Lavaltrie pdf/ cahier-16.pdf
  • 1767 Birth of Child
    Joseph-Sulpice-René LIPPE was born 12 October 1767, Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine)
  • 1769 Birth of Child
    Marie-Elisabeth LIPPE was born 14 April 1769, Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine)
  • 1770 Birth of Child
    Alexis LIPPE was born 2 April 1770, Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine)
  • 1772 Birth of Child
    Benjamin-Nicolas LIPPE was born 21 May 1772, Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine)
  • René Ernst LIPPÉ
    1774 Possible Death and Burial. Anglican Christ Church, Montreal. Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection) [database on-line]. Original data: Gabriel Drouin, comp. Drouin Collection. Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Institut Généalogique Drouin.

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