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  (b. 5 July 1723? Germany   d. 28 August 1774 Montréal, Province of Québec, Canada )  

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René Ernst LIPPÉ was born 5 July 1723? in Germany. René Ernst LIPPÉ was the child of ?   and   ?

René Ernst was an immigrant to Canada, arriving by 1763.

Marriage(s) and Child(ren):

He married  Marie-Françoise FUSEAU dite ROCH abt. 28 April 1763 in Québec Province, Canada .  The couple had (at least) 7 children. Marie-Françoise FUSEAU dite ROCH  was born 6 August 1740 in La Visitation-de-l'Île-Dupas, Québec, Canada (Ile Dupas).  She died 3 March 1810 in Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine).  She was the daughter of Mathurin FUSEAU dit ROCH and Marie-Françoise SERRE dite ST-JEAN.

René Ernst LIPPÉ died 28 August 1774 in Montréal, Province of Québec, Canada .

Occupation: Cabaretier



Is this him? Ernst Rene LIPPE, full name: Phillip II, Ernst, Count von Lippe Alverdissen, Germany. There is a theory that this is person who was a prince in Germany, came to Quebec, faked his death in 1774 and assumed his proper place on the throne in Germany.

NOTE: There is also a theory that this Rene Lippe is not the Rene Lippe above and that he died 26 AUG 1774 and was buried 28 Aug 1774 at Anglican Christ Church in Montreal. Is this a different person or was this his faked death date?

See www.francogene.com/ gfna/ gfna/ 998/ qrd30.htm
"A searcher pretends Ernst is the same as Philipp II Ernst Lippe, a German prince. The problem is this claim is based on a secret document. Moreover, the signatures of the immigrant and the prince are different."

On the other hand...
In May 2007, I received an interesting email from a man named Simon from Quebec. He is also related to Rene Ernst Philipp Lippe (married to Françoise Fuseau). He told me that a historian from Montreal is working on "something that would explain our Germanic and royal roots. Ernst Lippe was supposedly a German Prince who came to Quebec to escape from his party... This historian's wife is a Lippe and some of his related familly own many artefacts from this Prince (watch, rings etc) and they have the royal crest on it!"

Opinion Denis Beauregard (roughly translated from French to English), see www.francogene.com/ dossiers/ lippe.php for original

After some discussion with Mr. Beaudin, we finally learn the identity between Ernst and René LIPPÉ, innkeeper came to Quebec in the early British regime, and Count Philipp Ernst II Zur Schaumburg-Lippe based on secret documents that it can not make them public (this after 300 years). Until other genealogists read fluent German of that era have not seen the documents in question or that has no other public records to confirm this identification, it will consider this identification as speculative and not founded.

I note that it is difficult to assess this issue. For example, the author said that Lippé came as a spy for the German government while at the time, Germany is not a single country but a multitude of small principalities. He reportedly fled Germany because of court intrigues and because he was in danger, but I do not see how it would be a spy on someone who wants to get rid of. The documents would be kept secret because the German family in danger of losing his fortune, but this fortune dates from the industrial era, ie after 1800. Burial of 1774 would be a tactic to hide the return of the count in Germany. The moot point too many seem to be able to accept this relationship without having evidence very strong.

This site has a lot to say on the subject, all written in French -- www.afogq.com/ pdf/ cahier-16.pdf
Its conclusion is roughly translated from French to English below:

Conclusion
Lippe family Lippé or continues to exist today in Quebec, Ontario, France, New England and, as stated in the family, also in Germany. An important question, not yet elucidated, the relationship of Quebec with Lippé family Schaumburg-Lippe, Germany. The Prince William of Lippe Biesterfeld had come to Quebec to meet with the notary Alexandre Lippé, to 1900. By 1930, there was the visit of the Prince and Princess Adolf of Schaumburg-Lippe in Quebec and meeting with Lippé? Better access to documents, which are mainly Germany, might help to answer such questions and to clarify the nature of the relationship between the two families Lippe, German and Quebec.

The mystery lives on... One thing seems pretty certain, Ernst Rene Lippe was German.



NOTE:
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Table of contents Biographical note Summary Browse

Title La famille Lippe - Lippé - : mille ans d'histoire, deux siècles en Canada / Pierre Beaudin
Author Beaudin, Pierre, 1937- [5] Alphabetic list
Publisher Montréal : [s.n.], 1975 [56037]
Description 16 p. ; 26 cm
Notes Titre de la couv.
Tiré à part de: Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française, vol. xxv, no 4, 1974
Bibliogr.
Subjects Lippe (Famille) [1] Alphabetic list
Ernst, Philipp II, comte de Schaumburg-Lippe, 1723-1787--Famille comte de Schaumburg-Lippe [1] Alphabetic list
Source QMBN
Bibl. entry number 0000571310


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My Memere always told me that she was French. Her family had came to the U.S. from Canada. It never occurred to me (or to her) that her family might have been partly German. We never wondered why the Lippe name didn't sound very French. We never linked it to things in Germany such as the Lippe River or the castle in Detmold, Lippe, Germany. I suppose that's because we didn't have Google back...Read MORE...

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René Ernst LIPPÉ married flag  Marie-Françoise FUSEAU dite ROCH-- Date: abt. 28 April 1763 Place: , Québec Province, Canada
(CANADA) - PRDH - Universite de Montreal


Marie-Françoise FUSEAU dite ROCH was the daughter of Mathurin FUSEAU dit ROCH and Marie-Françoise SERRE dite ST-JEAN


PRDH has no record of this marriage, however there are records of the baptisms of their children, the first one in Lavaltrie in 1767.

Rene Lippe and Marie Francoise Fuseau Roch

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René Ernst LIPPÉ
1774 Possible Death and Burial. Anglican Christ Church, Montreal.
(CANADA) - Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967


Germany 1740 - Frederick the Great crowned King of Prussia


Germany 1740


Canada In 1745 Louisbourg fell to British forces from New England.


Canada The Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle returned Louisbourg to the French in 1748


Canada 1749 - 2,576 settlers are brought to Acadia by the British. Halifax is founded. www.acadian-cajun.com/ acadtime.htm


Canada 1750 - German immigrants begin to arrive in numbers at Halifax.


Canada 1752 - Canada's first newspaper, the weekly Halifax Gazette, appears (March 23).


World History 1754 - Beginning of the French and Indian War between Great Britain and France for control of the North American colonies. It is part of the Seven Years War.


World History (1756 - 1763) Seven Years War - France, Great Britain clashed in Europe and North America; France, Russia, Austria, Saxony, Sweden and Spain sided against Britain, Prussia and Hanover


Canada 1759 - British troops defeated French troops in Battle of Plains of Abraham near Quebec City


Canada 1763 - France cedes its North American posessions to Britain by the Treaty of Paris, ending the Seven Years War (French and Indian War). Quebec City French-speaking Catholics were now under the rule of Protestant Britain.

1764 Birth of Child
Jean-René-Ernest LIPPE was born 29 April 1764, Montréal, Québec, Canada

29 Sept 1765

License granted to Ernest Lippie to sell liquor in Montreal
www.afogq.com/ pdf/ cahier-16.pdf

29 Sept 1767

License granted to Ernest Lippie to sell liquor in Lavaltrie
www.afogq.com/ pdf/ cahier-16.pdf

1767 Birth of Child
Joseph-Sulpice-René LIPPE was born 12 October 1767, Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine)

15 Feb 1769

Montreal
Ernest Lipe of Lavaltrie, Inn-keeper, licensed to keep a common ale house for one year.
Signed: Ernst Lippe
www.afogq.com/ pdf/ cahier-16.pdf

1769 Birth of Child
Marie-Elisabeth LIPPE was born 14 April 1769, Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine)
1770 Birth of Child
Alexis LIPPE was born 2 April 1770, Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine)

10 Apr 1771

Montreal
Ernest Lippie of Lavaltrie licensed to keep a public ale house for one year
Signed: Ernst Lippe
www.afogq.com/ pdf/ cahier-16.pdf

1772 Birth of Child
Benjamin-Nicolas LIPPE was born 21 May 1772, Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine)
1774 Birth of Child
Marie Louise Judithe (Julie) LIPPE was born 28 October 1774, Lavaltrie, Québec, Canada (Saint-Antoine)

Death
28 August 1774
Montréal, Québec, Canada


Added: 12/16/1999 12:00:00 AM

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